tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7010409378436372090.post5376221679649661351..comments2024-03-24T05:22:46.517-04:00Comments on Musings of a Biologist and Dog Lover: Guess the Genotype #26Stephaniehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08840844954903338887noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7010409378436372090.post-5048369865347120392011-10-12T18:34:40.059-04:002011-10-12T18:34:40.059-04:00Well, the saddle coloration has also occurred in t...Well, the saddle coloration has <a href="https://www.basenji.org/african/B_Tena.htm" rel="nofollow">also occurred</a> in those lines, but far less often. It's usually fairly easy to tell the difference, especially if you know what the puppy looks like when it was born. Saddled dogs are always born appearing to be black with tan points (like <a href="http://puppytrainingfacts.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/puppy-training-airedale-1.jpg" rel="nofollow">Airedale terriers</a>), but the black fades with age into a <a href="http://www.completedogsguide.com/images/dog-breeds/largepic/Airedale-Terrier5.jpg" rel="nofollow">very distinctive pattern</a>. Here's a saddled basenji, showing the fading: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/basenjimomma/1806708744/in/photostream" rel="nofollow">puppy</a>, <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/basenjimomma/4029578211/" rel="nofollow">adult</a>. The saddle pattern is also genetically black and tan, which can be determined with genetic testing. Sable, in contrast always looks <a href="http://www.sablerockkennels.com/germanshepherdpuppiessables.jpg" rel="nofollow">about the same at birth</a>, and some red will be visible where you can't see any in a black and tan or saddled tan puppy. Sometimes, only time will tell whether the black in a sable will stay or clear up.<br /><br />Haha! The basenji face is pretty distinctive. Curious, very curious. He also looks a bit big. Is that just my imagination? <br /><br />Anyway, I'm sure Petey doesn't mind. :)Stephaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08840844954903338887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7010409378436372090.post-58773679789794504752011-10-12T16:45:03.480-04:002011-10-12T16:45:03.480-04:00Okay, see, unless you hit me with the Obvious Stic...Okay, see, unless you hit me with the Obvious Stick, I wouldn't have taken those saddles as "sables." I don't know the genetics of how that plays out. I guess that's why I read your blog.<br /><br />If you get any warmer about the little red rescue, we're going to have to treat you for burns.<br /><br />(Poor neglected Petey, btw... all these comments and not a bit about him!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7010409378436372090.post-65050381727017986992011-10-12T13:32:30.083-04:002011-10-12T13:32:30.083-04:00I was indeed. They were quite unusual in appearanc...I was indeed. They were quite unusual in appearance, which fascinated me. Either they have some mixed ancestry, or it was their tough life that made them so unusually large. <br /><br />Oh really? I think I see it. He does seem oddly terrier-ish in the face. I wonder if he might have some mixed ancestry too? As for sable, if you look through the BCOA African Stock Project <a href="https://www.basenji.org/african/dob.htm" rel="nofollow">offspring page</a> there are more sables from those lines than there seem to be otherwise. Here's a few (though most are said to have "saddles," they are actually sable): <br />https://www.basenji.org/african/F_Karata.htm<br />https://www.basenji.org/african/P_Odds.htm<br />https://www.basenji.org/african/WortLook.htm<br />https://www.basenji.org/african/Meme_BR.htm<br />https://www.basenji.org/african/Rease.htm<br /><br />There has been some DNA testing for color in some of the Africans, and apparently recessive red and clear sable both occur in the breed. Clear sable always presents the possibility of producing a non-clear sable.Stephaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08840844954903338887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7010409378436372090.post-81192876450229371742011-10-12T13:05:10.107-04:002011-10-12T13:05:10.107-04:00Hehe, I figured you were a bit of a basenji fan ba...Hehe, I figured you were a bit of a basenji fan based on some of the folks that pup up in your blogroll. Were you also intrigued by the Wimauma pups in Florida? Now I thought THAT group would have made a most interesting case study -- I think most of them have homes now.<br /><br />Yes, this guy is a very pretty-looking fellow. Sable isn't normally seen in modern B's, I believe? Not sure if it's seen in Africa. One hint about this guy: his BYB bred him from "questionable" pedigrees...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7010409378436372090.post-67982943255323716072011-10-11T12:13:09.733-04:002011-10-11T12:13:09.733-04:00He's a handsome fellow! I've actually seen...He's a handsome fellow! I've actually seen him already. I hope to adopt a BRAT basenji one of these days, so I check their site about once a week or so. I might just use him. We shall see. :)<br /><br />For the most part, I am fairly familiar with the color genes that are found in basenjis. I blame years of research on the breed. I fell in love with them about eleven years ago, and have been preparing myself for owning one when I have the means. <br /><br />One of the most fascinating basenjis I have ever seen was one that was up on BRAT several years ago. She was a heavy sable with blue eyes! That was the one and only time I've ever seen one with blue eyes.Stephaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08840844954903338887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7010409378436372090.post-56592024786732609172011-10-10T18:22:48.181-04:002011-10-10T18:22:48.181-04:00You know, I'm no good at these games. But I th...You know, I'm no good at these games. But I thought this one might be a good candidate for your series: http://www.basenjirescue.org/DOGS/AZ/AZ-Dewgan.asp<br /><br />I've got some answers if you need a cheat sheet. I have no vocabulary for these discussions on canine genetics, but it's always interesting to see what you come up with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com